Avengers - What's in a name?

Post by **dissolute** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:47 pm

Captain Crusoe wrote: "Tara King" is a very Irish name and she had an Irish uncle, so presumably she was at least half-Irish. That somehow seemed to undercut the "for King and country" bit for me. I spent a large part of Wish You Were Here wondering about Tara's sense of national identity. How committed to the British state did she feel, given the history of those two nations?

She's an Ulster gal through and through - she *did* wear a lot of orange...

Frankymole · Post by **Frankymole** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:45 pm

Captain Crusoe wrote: "Tara King" is a very Irish name and she had an Irish uncle, so presumably she was at least half-Irish. That somehow seemed to undercut the "for King and country" bit for me. I spent a large part of Wish You Were Here wondering about Tara's sense of national identity. How committed to the British state did she feel, given the history of those two nations?

Perhaps she had one of these in her family:
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Captain Crusoe · Post by **Captain Crusoe** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:00 pm

dissolute wrote:
Captain Crusoe wrote: "Tara King" is a very Irish name and she had an Irish uncle, so presumably she was at least half-Irish. That somehow seemed to undercut the "for King and country" bit for me. I spent a large part of Wish You Were Here wondering about Tara's sense of national identity. How committed to the British state did she feel, given the history of those two nations?
She's an Ulster gal through and through - she *did* wear a lot of orange...

Her uncle's accent is southern Irish, not at all like the Ulster Protestant accent. She's no Ulster gal. Anyway, she wore green when she went to visit her uncle.

JohnSteedFr · Post by **JohnSteedFr** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:10 pm

Captain Crusoe wrote:
dissolute wrote:
Captain Crusoe wrote: "Tara King" is a very Irish name and she had an Irish uncle, so presumably she was at least half-Irish. That somehow seemed to undercut the "for King and country" bit for me. I spent a large part of Wish You Were Here wondering about Tara's sense of national identity. How committed to the British state did she feel, given the history of those two nations?
She's an Ulster gal through and through - she *did* wear a lot of orange...
Her uncle's accent is southern Irish, not at all like the Ulster Protestant accent. She's no Ulster gal. Anyway, she wore green when she went to visit her uncle.

Don't you think it's a little bit far fetched ?

It's breaking to see your researches !

Frankymole · Post by **Frankymole** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:56 am

Captain Crusoe wrote: Her uncle's accent is southern Irish, not at all like the Ulster Protestant accent. She's no Ulster gal. Anyway, she wore green when she went to visit her uncle.

Is her uncle by marriage, ie married to her parent's sister?

Captain Crusoe · Post by **Captain Crusoe** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:28 am

Frankymole wrote:Is her uncle by marriage, ie married to her parent's sister?

There's nothing suggesting that, but I suppose he could be. I take the combination of her Irish name and her uncle being Irish as them indicating to us that she's Irish on her mother's side. It just fits so perfectly. I wasn't serious about her loyalties being conflicted, I was making an ironic comment about the politics. A lot of Irish people weren't Irish nationalists harbouring resentments, especially ones living in England like members of her family.

Frankymole · Post by **Frankymole** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:17 pm

Captain Crusoe wrote:
Frankymole wrote:Is her uncle by marriage, ie married to her parent's sister?
There's nothing suggesting that, but I suppose he could be. I take the combination of her Irish name and her uncle being Irish as them indicating to us that she's Irish on her mother's side. It just fits so perfectly.

She hasn't really got an Irish name if her mum was a "Gone With the Wind" fan... more southern States...

Captain Crusoe · Post by **Captain Crusoe** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:09 pm

As I said, it's the combination. The Irish uncle is a very big clue. You're saying that it's pure coincidence her uncle is Irish and she's got the name 'Tara', even 'Tara King', a name with a very strong Irish resonance because of the Kings of Tara, a name that could particularly appeal to an Irishwoman married to a Mr King.

My theory: Linda Thorson thought of the name for the reasons she gave, maybe or maybe not subsconsciously influenced by the phrase 'the Kings of Tara'. Tony Williamson saw the name 'Tara King' and thought of Ireland and Irishness, so he made her uncle Irish. If Tara's meant to be so non-Irish as you claim, why didn't they make her uncle English? Why suggest that she's got Irish ancestry?

JohnSteedFr · Post by **JohnSteedFr** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:11 pm

Frankymole wrote:
Captain Crusoe wrote:
Frankymole wrote:Is her uncle by marriage, ie married to her parent's sister?
There's nothing suggesting that, but I suppose he could be. I take the combination of her Irish name and her uncle being Irish as them indicating to us that she's Irish on her mother's side. It just fits so perfectly.
She hasn't really got an Irish name if her mum was a "Gone With the Wind" fan... more southern States...

Perhaps that some of her relatives are American, a sort of mix.

Frankymole · Post by **Frankymole** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:36 pm

Captain Crusoe wrote:As I said, it's the combination. The Irish uncle is a very big clue. You're saying that it's pure coincidence her uncle is Irish and she's got the name 'Tara', even 'Tara King', a name with a very strong Irish resonance because of the Kings of Tara, a name that could particularly appeal to an Irishwoman married to a Mr King.

My theory: Linda Thorson thought of the name for the reasons she gave, maybe or maybe not subsconsciously influenced by the phrase 'the Kings of Tara'.

Every region in Britain had Kings in the Dark Ages though... I doubt if Linda had ever heard the term "The Kings of Tara" to be influenced subconsciously or no... an uncle isn't an ancestor either

Maybe Dr Martin King is Irish though?