You make some good points Denis. I did not think of those movies you mention where the later remake was better. It does happen. And yes failed outdated can be the best. DOA is an example. at the time the movie was made it was not popular and it is of course outdated. But wicked good and I think it is well regarded now by some. Now that is interesting on Clive. He really was Russian? No wonder he was so good!
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and authentic! I think you would not only have to be talented to copy Russian gestures, you would have to see the real thing or know Russian people to copy. So these Russian types that stay in the old traditions, are far away from the cities I assume? The equivalent here I am guessing of the small town that has not changed. Keeps with the old traditions.
You really do understand TA well. THat is a great point. The fights in general could be exciting, but especially in the Tara era, looked exactly like tinkering. Many criticize her form of fighting but I think it was like you said. Meant to tinker. It was meant to never show blood or get too real or violent. The other show Wild Wild West was spectacular, fight scenes or one where he crashed through a wall, but the actor said it was really like "violent ballet". I think those were his words. Something about ballet. yoU Would never know it for sure but I suppose it must have felt like a dance so to speak. But that is very keen of you. THat is really another feature of Avengerland that fights were really not meant to be terribly real or violent. Not sure what you think of Mrs. Peel's fight scenes, but I guess that might be true in general. My favorite scene in Legacy besides the pearl fizzling, was the HUGE cherry picker (truck) in bright yellow that is missed by all (except Steed of course.) Wow how could anyone miss that spectacle. They sure had a sense of humour. Back to Clive, have you seen him in other films, or just TA and do you know more about him? as Franky mentions he defected from Russia?
And just curious, I assume that if you met some one from a nearby country, Lithuania, for example, they would appear very different to you in mannerisms, I would assume. And have to ask you about kvas. Can one get drunk on it or is it really unnoticeable? It sounds intriguing. Sort of a flavored beer
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? It sounds as if it could be delicious or taste really bad. What flavors does it come in and can you tell there is alcohol in it? Perhaps I just have to make a batch in my cellar
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as I would have no idea where to buy it here. And I would likely poison myself if it was homemade.
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Recently I watched original film DOA and it's definitely more interesting version than 1988. Nevertheless, in general, I was not able to enjoy the result, now it is very obvious that "noir" is not my genre. The atmosphere and ambiance are gray, the scene with the jazz ensemble performance a bit annoying, I felt this was necessary piece (unlike Venus Smith episodes where I can enjoy the musical numbers), the incarnation of the plot is not very intriguing and sometimes sags. Oh, even though I watched this movie with difficulty, I think, for the noir genre - it's a good sample. Well written characters, great humor and direction.
Anti, no, Clive Revill is not Russian, he was born and trained as an actor in New Zealand. Later he moved to England.
Frankie meant that Clive Revill played a defector in TNA who spent a long time in Russia.
By the way Clive played a Chinese in film One of Our Dinosaurs Is Missing (1975), I wonder he managed it as well as Russian in the New Avengers?
As for the Soviet actors abroad and old traditions, I noticed that the actor without his own style often adapted to the environment. Such examples are full, bright sample from the Russian - Alexander Godunov.
Actors with their own style (which is very little), for example Savely Kramarov often remain true to themselves in almost every country, as the style is their trademark.
So if Clive Revill would be Russian, I'm not sure that he wanted to be so meticulously portray his character, he would have tried to distort the image or make it conditional.
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Well this was a trend of Soviet actors from USSR if they leave the homeland, for them it was already a stranger. If for certain reasons they were playing Russian abroad, they deliberately distorted the image showing his or implausible or negative caricature or contingent, well, in any case, there was always a certain artificiality. After perestroika views have changed.
The most realistic battles were with Cathy Gale. Mrs. Peel was the first woman who worked in direction to soften it, mainly for the US market, I must say, fights with her participation looked very factitiously. Linda Thorson, thanks to her acrobatic skills, was able to demonstrate fights more professionally. Sadly, Brian Clemens rules did not worked in the US and the Avengers still considered cruel show due to the number of murders and the presence of violence in general, although it was very conditional.
Yes, I have seen many films with Clive Revill. I think the best years for him were in 1970s. He played Russian in Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (1970), memorable role in Legend of Hell House (1973), interesting role in Black Windmill (1974) etc, but his Mark Crayford in TNA is my favorite Clive's character.
Well, manners depend on aspects such as the way of life in a individual system, adaptation and trends. You can go somewhere and to find same manners like you if people live by the same principles. In another near area can meet other people. This is life and there is no principle of cinema - some stereotypes or obsessions. So I do not know who I can meet in Lithuania, rather it will be different people, but I know the type and manner of Russian, if I'm going to watch entertaining foreign cinema, where they are present.
There are plenty of varieties of kvas, Basically, I would call it as decoction of black bread with additives, it's unforgettable pleasant taste.
Kvas, which are sold in shops in Russia or non-alcoholic or a maximum of 1 degree. But if you buy in the market from private traders, the it can reach 5 degrees, but no more.
In Russia still has a lot of fans of kvas.
I remember how in the Soviet Union, many children (including me) always drank a mug of kvas before going to the cinema and it seemed to me that this is something like a tradition. Well, you felt much better and went to watch for example, wonderful film Labyrinth with David Bowie.
On many streets in USSR were located entire tanks with kvas, you came with a can, bucket or something else and seller poured a few liters you. That was great memorable kvas.
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