1.01 - Hot Snow

mousemeat · Post by **mousemeat** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:10 pm

Rhonda wrote:It's quite a dramatic one with Dr. Keel's colleague congratulating him one minute on their engagement and then the shooting; I felt sad for his fiance and Dr. Keel and anger at the criminals. It's great that we have a bit of the very first one to watch, so I'm giving it an 8 for it's dramatic effect.

I would concur..however, it's sorta a piece of primitive film making in terms of the script and actually murder, etc...really has nothing to do with what eventually became the AVENGERS..YET hot snow, is interesting to watch..on many levels...compare it to even the Cathy Gale, and you can see how the show evolved

Rhonda · Post by **Rhonda** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:23 pm

Yes TV film making was still learning a few things. That the the gun couldn't be heard (even a silencer makes some noise) did reduce the drama outside the jeweller's.

Post by **dissolute** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:18 pm

Frankymole wrote:
dissolute wrote:I've just updated my episode pages for this and its part two, Brought to Book and after reading the scripts it seems clear - especially from Spicer's confession - that the Big Man in Hot Snow was the Nick Mason character (played by the hulking Charles Morgan) rather than skinny little Robert James.

https://www.dissolute.com.au/the-avenge ... -snow.html
That's interesting... but why did they get Robert James to play him then in episode 1 (better voice?) or was it a mis-attribution of credits?

I did wonder why Spicer would've changed sides in the "turf war" by episode 2!

I mean that Robert James is NOT MENTIONED AT ALL in the paperwork and I think Dave Rogers made a guess many years ago that was plain wrong (after all, his plot outlines for thes first two episodes were quite inaccurate).

Post by **dissolute** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:20 pm

Rhonda wrote:Yes TV film making was still learning a few things. That the the gun couldn't be heard (even a silencer makes some noise) did reduce the drama outside the jeweller's.

That's an interesting thing, there are no FX or GRAMS notes in that scene so no gun shot sound effect was ever expected to be used.

Frankymole · Post by **Frankymole** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:32 pm

It's covered in the McGinley/Hayes book. There's a script or storyline that specifies the gun was silenced - or it might be a prop list with the script, not sure but some contemporary documentation. It was specified Dr Keel hears no shot.

Frankymole · Post by **Frankymole** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:34 pm

dissolute wrote: I mean that Robert James is NOT MENTIONED AT ALL in the paperwork and I think Dave Rogers made a guess many years ago that was plain wrong (after all, his plot outlines for thes first two episodes were quite inaccurate).

But Robert James was contracted for the first episode (and Morgan wasn't).... confusing...

mousemeat · Post by **mousemeat** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:56 pm

Frankymole wrote:It's covered in the McGinley/Hayes book. There's a script or storyline that specifies the gun was silenced - or it might be a prop list with the script, not sure but some contemporary documentation. It was specified Dr Keel hears no shot.

what was the title of that McGinley-hayes book....?

Post by **dissolute** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:43 am

Frankymole wrote:
dissolute wrote: I mean that Robert James is NOT MENTIONED AT ALL in the paperwork and I think Dave Rogers made a guess many years ago that was plain wrong (after all, his plot outlines for thes first two episodes were quite inaccurate).
But Robert James was contracted for the first episode (and Morgan wasn't).... confusing...

Really? Is there paperwork for that? I don't have it in my archive.

Post by **dissolute** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:57 am

mousemeat wrote:
Frankymole wrote:It's covered in the McGinley/Hayes book. There's a script or storyline that specifies the gun was silenced - or it might be a prop list with the script, not sure but some contemporary documentation. It was specified Dr Keel hears no shot.
what was the title of that McGinley-hayes book....?

Two Against the Underworld, which is a combination of their two earlier books.

Post by **dissolute** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:18 am

Frankymole wrote:It's covered in the McGinley/Hayes book. There's a script or storyline that specifies the gun was silenced - or it might be a prop list with the script, not sure but some contemporary documentation. It was specified Dr Keel hears no shot.

That's right, the vison switches to Peggy and David on the street so I guess the idea is how it would have sounded to them, and the passer by who asks if she's ill. I'm guessing they were afraid of being censored or pushed into an even later time slot if there were an audible shot.

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1.01 - Hot Snow

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